Laurence Dollimore
AN amendment to Article 50 to give all EU citizens living in the UK permanent residency after Brexit has been rejected.
The government blocked the bid to add protections to the Brexit bill in the House of Commons yesterday by 332 votes to 290.
It is thought that the rights of British expats living abroad will be dependent on the UK ensuring the protection of its current EU citizens.
It comes after UK prime minister Theresa May said she wants to resolve the matter of expats on both sides as soon as possible once Brexit negotiations begin.
The Liberal Democrats have now vowed to get the amendment passed when the bill is debated in the House of Lords later this month.
“The Liberal Democrats will make protecting these citizens’ rights a top priority. We have tabled amendments in the Commons and we will do so again in the House of Lords,” Lib Dem Lords leader Dick Newby said.
“We believe we have support on all sides to deliver on the promises the government should have made to millions of people who have made our country their home.”
rejected – as it should have been. And what ignorant little troublemaker introduced that nonsense? EU residents can have the same rights as other residents, once the Great and wonderful EU agrees to protect the rights of Brits abroad !!
And this cannot even be discussed until a50 is triggered – according to the EU.
This decision doesn’t bode well for Brits abroad. If we don’t look after their immigrants, then ours certainly won’t be secure. Tit for tat will be the order of the day, not forgetting the “permission” given to Brit racists, to up their harassment of foreigners. Much nastiness looming…
stef as you well know T.May wished to discuss the matter regarding EU and exBrits citizens rights long ago but it was the EU that rejected and still rejects the offer until A50 was activated so don’t put the blame on the UK.
stefanjo since asking OP of their interpretation regarding offensive comments and what do they class as being offensive such as in their original posting, OP quote,
“We do not condone offensive comments of any kind and will result in users being blocked”.
This was due to a comment I received as follows.
“What right do you have to tell people where they can live? Answer: none. It’s easy to see your mentality – bitterness, jealousy, and a hatred for your fellow man. One wonders what happened to you to suffer from such hatred”,
Op have now altered it to, quote,
“Anyone who uses racist, sexist, homophobic or xenophobic language or hate speech will be blocked”.
As you well know, this forum is a section where people can make comments without abusive languages being thrown back regardless if they agree or disagree as we live, supposedly, in a western society under the rule of demoracy, so please in future refrain from using any offensive
comments as really it’s uncalled for. lol
why are you addressing me ? My comments were relevant to the above subject, not your pained ego.
The UK is a single Country ….. the remaining EU members total 27 countries. It is the UK who left, not the EU that sent them away, but the UK needs to show some good judgement in starting the ball rolling – once the rights of nationals from all 27 countries are assured, then the EU will respond likewise. It makes much more sense for the single country to do this than ask all 27 others to agree beforehand. The UK is not in the strongest position in these up-coming negotiations and if the UK government want to receive anything from the EU, then it is going to have to ask politely. There is no reason whatsoever that the EU should give the UK anything (especially as the remaining 27 countries are still paying for these allowances) ……. right now, all the UK is doing is making enemies, where there were no enemies before.
Agreed, the UK are walking away from the current arrangement so the onus is on the British government to make a gesture of goodwill and state that EU citizens can remain in the UK post Brexit. I don’t think the Brexiteers realise what they are up against. Once A50 is triggered, it will be 27 against 1 with the clock running down and pressure mounting – that is when the real effects of Brexit will be felt. If no agreement is reached within the two year time frame, we are looking at the grim prospect of the cliff edge.
Ray, how come your line of attack regarding the rights of nationalities to remain in either the UK or the EU is made against Britain and not against the EU. As mentioned previously Britain wished to discuss this but the EU does not. It amazes me, even to the point where a lobby of people from Spain, I believe, presented themselves in London and not Brussels.
As for your comment:- “There is no reason whatsoever that the EU should give the UK anything”. Britain has made pro free trade arrangements with other country’s already with many more to follow and one of the future negotiations with the EU would be an offer for reciprocal arrangements. Nothing about “giving anything” to the UK but mutual agreements, bearing in mind that the EU sells more goods to the UK then the reverse, if not then the UK walk’s away, simple as that and I think you will find the demise of the 27 EU country’s will be quicker. Had you even thought or considered that a “single country” can destroy 27 other country’s. Ray, that’s the power Britain has over the EU which the Brussels big wigs have already accepted that fact.
Ray, you say:- “It is the UK who left, (not yet Ray) not the EU that sent them away”. Depends in which way you look at it, one could say “why did Britain leave”. You say:- “once the rights of nationals from all 27 countries are assured, then the EU will respond likewise”. Ray, see my reply to stefanjo.
You say:- “There is no reason whatsoever that the EU should give the UK anything”. What are they giving. You say:- (especially as the remaining 27 countries are still paying for these allowances). Please explain what they are paying for, but what I do know is that the UK is the second highest contributor to the EU coffers. You say:- “right now, all the UK is doing is making enemies, where there were no enemies before”. As for enemies, I think you will find it’s the reverse. Ray, while your at it, could you please explain why the EU is so desperate in wanting the UK to remain, I know why the UK wishes to leave, do you.
Wonder what the reaction by the die hard remainders have to say about the BBC program on After Brexit last night. Some of the observations are as follows by noted personal.
Andrew Frame said: “#AfterBrexit Excellent programme. Thought the BBC had lost the ability to do an honest unbiased review of the EU. Issue now is the fallout.”
@Hiawaffler said: “#AfterBrexit At last, the truth from MSM. Maybe now the Remoaners will stop moaning.”
Lawrence Fry said: “#AfterBrexit A brilliantly damning documentary. An embarrassing indictment of the remain campaign and its flawed aspirations.”
Interesting to know what Jane G, stefanjo and Fred thinks. BTW, forget personal reasons just facts will do please. Many thanks, Carlos.
Carlos, you still seem to continue promoting the anti-EU stance, when I recall you you voted (or at least supported) to remain. Is that true, please correct me? I am not a “die-hard” remainer, and have said on many occasions on this forum that the EU has many flaws, such as the poverty and unemployment in Spain, Portugal and Italy, and the North/South Europe divide, where the euro has made many countries uncompetitive. There was always risk of contagion from Brexit; that was the EU’s main concern from the beginning. That concern was always there, it has always existed.
I also said that if the EU broke up, then so be it – “if the people want it to crumble, then it should crumble” said an interviewee in the programme – I have no issue with that. La Pen said the EU needs “radical change”, and I agree with that. La Pen’s position has changed quite markedly recently, and she now wants a reformed Europe, and recognises the threat of leaving the EU completely. She wants the EU but with national borders reinstated and more decision making abilities for France.
As for this BBC programme, part of it is a collection of snippets from anti-EU movements and leaders, so the underlying anti-EU sentiment will obviously be apparent. The programme does not have all the facts. No one does. These issues are massively complex and making all these member states work together and agree with one another is daunting (just look at Hungary for example), indeed it is amazing the EU has survived so long. However, overall, I think the fundamental concept of the EU in terms of freedom of movement and the ability to live and work in other countries with equal rights is an amazing concept, but unless it helps all of the people, and not just the richer members, it will eventually lead to break-up. I can see a two-tier EU forming out of all of this and the perhaps the UK rejoining in the future. The EU is absolutely terrible at promoting itself, and people have benefited from the EU in so many ways that they don’t even realise.
The overall message I got from the programme was one of many people (including rival leadership contenders) wanting so keep the EU, but in a fundamentally different form. Carlos, please can I ask that you desist from posting so many replies on a single thread as you are just saying the same thing over and over again. Take a deep breath, and just stop :)
Fred, did I name you as a die-hard. Strangely enough I agree with most of what you have said but lets face it there sure is some die-hard’s that can’t accept the fact of the referendum. As for radical change, Cameron tried and got nowhere and now the talk is the EU needs to change due to the UK leaving and leaving because of the attitude of the big wigs at the top of the Brussels table. Much talk about the UK leaving a sinking ship by Guy Verhofstadt yet not a word from him regarding Jean-Claude Juncker leaving a sinking ship. He is a die-hard Federalist which is not akin to the British way of thinking. I have always been a believer of the original concept of the common market but see how it’s changed from being a free trade members club between a few close country’s to what it has now become (28) states causing the UK to leave. (won’t go into the immigration problems besetting Europe) but feel sure that if changes had been made, suitable to the well being of each country and not being bullied the UK would have remained but afraid it’s now to late.
Fred, to give you just a little insight as to how I feel about the UK and the EU. The first paragraph of a lengthy letter is to a friend I correspond with in America by email and sometimes visual on Skype (depending on the time difference). As follows:-
“Mark, although I have voted to leave it does sadden me to see the EU breaking up this way. Even T. May has stated that she wished to see a strong EU but without Britain and Brussels has now admitted changes would need to be made but afraid it’s to late, it’s like closing the barn door after…….
So as you can see I’m not 100% anti-EU and if negotiations go well on both sides I shall be pleased. One could go on and on about the subject and only wish the so called die-hard’s would accept the fact and I think you will find by response to comments are purely a reply. BTW the reason that there appears various replies is due to the little round ring in the left hand corner keeps turning so I tend to hit the button again.
P.S. I hope your friend stef does not think I’m rambling again as it’s a bit shorter than your comment. lol
An insight to the BBC program showing the truth about the EU membership.
Andrew Frame said: “#AfterBrexit Excellent programme. Thought the BBC had lost the ability to do an honest unbiased review of the EU. Issue now is the fallout.”
@Hiawaffler said: “#AfterBrexit At last, the truth from MSM. Maybe now the Remoaners will stop moaning.”
Lawrence Fry said: “#AfterBrexit A brilliantly damning documentary. An embarrassing indictment of the remain campaign and its flawed aspirations.”
Interesting to know the thoughts of the remainders regarding thos BBC program. Here are a dew to chew on.
Andrew Frame said: “#AfterBrexit Excellent programme. Thought the BBC had lost the ability to do an honest unbiased review of the EU. Issue now is the fallout.”
@Hiawaffler said: “#AfterBrexit At last, the truth from MSM. Maybe now the Remoaners will stop moaning.”
Lawrence Fry said: “#AfterBrexit A brilliantly damning documentary. An embarrassing indictment of the remain campaign and its flawed aspirations.”
P.S. Stefanjo the comment I sent to you was not suggesting you wrote that comment but was an illustration of the type of comments that seem to drift on this forum although many times you are quite close to the mark.