Environment Minister Miguel Arias Canete has confirmed Spain will meet its Kyoto protocol targets for 2012.
Kyoto success
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James Bryce
James Bryce 
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Yes, but only by buying carbon credits.
not only by buying credits but killing between 6 and 12 million birds and bats (SEO figures not mine) using “green” windmills.
Clive: “Windmills” grind stuff, hence, “mill”.It’s wind turbines that you’re being silly about.
I am sorry that you feel that killing so many birds is silly also that you do not understand that to an english person who is over the age of 40 the thing that spins around was called a windmill, children used to have coloured ones in the days before they generated electricity and were changed to wind turbines, what they are called is not important in the context of the issue.
sorry but wikipedia describes a windmill —
A windmill is a machine that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails.[1][2] Originally windmills were developed for milling grain for food production. In the course of history, the windmill machinery was adapted to many other industrial uses.[3] An important non-milling use is to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
Clive: Wriggle all you like, they are still wind turbines. Who counted all those dead creatures anyway? All these stories are fables, put about by fossil fuel fools. You may care to count the deaths caused by burning those fuels. Not just birds and bats either.
Clive,
do you or have you ever lived near wind turbines I have, in Galicia and I often went for walks under the turbines along the spectacular cliffs looking out to Cabo de Gata – and I never saw a single dead bird.
What you are spouting is a total pack of lies, that’s clear to anyone with half a brain. The question is why?
I tell you what, do a search on google for “windmills kill birds” amoungst the reams of articles you will see that the Spanish equivilent of the RSPB the SEO (the Spanish Society of Ornithology (SEO/Birdlife)) describe the problem, if you wish to see birds being hit go to youtube and look for “vultures hit by windmills” or windturbines if you prefer and you can see it for yourself. I am not totally anti windfarms I just think we are using too many in the wrong places. The environmental impact is higher than solar farms but the subsidy from the EU is higher.
Turning to insults does not prove argument.
It’s not insulting to say your talking porkies. Have you ever lived near to wind turbines or even walked beneath them as I have – no, your an armchair walker who quotes from the net, not from actual experience.
You hav’nt a clue about the real world have you? Wind turbines are situated where they are after maybe 2 years of actual wind tests are analysed to see if they are viable or not. You are no doubt delighted to pay the billions and billions needed to decommision nuclear power stations.
I now live in France where 82% of electricity is gernerated from nuclear. The ordinary French hav’nt got a clue about the enormous cost facing them when their nuclear plants are finally shut down. They also don’t know that south of Tours there is a secret dumping ground, where 10 years ago there were 200 hectares of nuclear waste. The media, both local and international kept phoning the French government to make a statement – every time the phone was slammed down. Needless to say I don’t nor ever would live anywhere near to a nuclear plant.
If I was you I’d be more concerned about the nuclear reactor on the coast in Andalucia, the Spanish are’nt noted for having a good maintenance programe mentality and then of course the Big One, 8.5/9 Richter scale could hit any time. I lived in Guadix, just a few K from one of Europe’s biggest PV/wind turbine installations – unsightly no, dangerous in the event of a major earthquake no.
As to ‘vultures hit by windmills’ well – says it all really – did you pen this this after some wacky baccy or to much jungle juice – either way I have to thank you for a really good laugh.
Stuart,
You are talking a load of rubbish. You think saying someone has half a brain is not insulting ?. You have no idea who I am or what I do ! so I will start at the top of your fiction.
I am not an Armchair walker I am out most days, I run a bird group in spain as I did in the UK, I am also a member of a walking group. I have a degree in Ecology, so I may be more aware about the countryside than you (heaven forbid). I am at a loss at to where the nuclear power plant is in andalucia. There a huge numbers of wind turbines in the Tarifa area where most of the birds that migrate to and from Europe cross the straits, most birds avoid crossing large areas of water, so maybe Galicia has less of a problem. I must admit I do not understand your comments about vultures being hit by windmills, I am sure others who have bothered to read your “comments” will have managed to see the vids I refer to.
Clive,
time to get your brain in gear – you stated in your post of Dec. 17th – ‘vultures hit by windmills’ – a ludicrous statement which got the response it deserves.
Trying to big yourself up ‘I have a degree in Ecology’ just exposes you as a pompous prat.
If you are concerned about ACTUAL killing of birds – take a trip to Malta or Italy and stop the mass slaughter of birds there – now that would be constructive.
It seems that my last comment was removed so I will try again.
Are you still saying that my statement that Vultures are being injured and killed by windmills is untrue? if so do you think the videos are faked ?
If you re-read what you said you will see that your description of me was fiction and not fact, I was not trying to be big, I merely tried to inform you that I had more than half a brain.
I do contribute to a campaign to stop the illegal killing of wild birds in Europe